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Bruce's avatar

when covid first started my local dr was a woman who seemed fairly easy to get along with.When i had to have a consult for unrelated stuff,she asked me if i had been vacinated.When i said no she asked why not,as they had saved a lot of lives(huh).At that time the vax had been out maybe 8 weeks.I said well i dont want it thanks,and i guess i should find another dr.She said no,i will still consult with you even though you should get vaxed as i think its very important.I said doc,you dont get it,i dont want to consult with anyone stupid enough to advise their patients to inject an experimental drug into themselves,with only 8 weeks of history to know what the implications may be.Drs are just people like anyone else,some very bright,some not so,the one being sued here falls into the not so

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

This touches upon the broader subject of people never focusing on learning the limits of their knowledge and what topics are presently unknowable to them.

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ArnoldF's avatar

the entire medical establishment has created procedures and authority chain-of-command to create a state of compliance that has basically terminated doctors consciences. we have watched the return of the same evils that existed in the third reich and imperial japan.

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Copernicus's avatar

ArnoldF, exactly. 🎯🎯🎯🎯

Thus the challenge with any medical ethics curriculum. Which ethics will they be teaching?

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SteelJ's avatar

Right on. Similarly, I don't like the idea that doctors should get training in nutrition and advise on that. They have their hands full with what they already must do, and that's where their interests lie. I shudder to think what the nutrition training would be like and how they'd be advising us to eat. It would be agenda and money-driven, like their pharma shilling. What advice they currently give out now isn't good, and formal "training" would make it even worse.

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Copernicus's avatar

You are mistaken if you think the current training they get about nutrition and most other things is not influenced by Big Ag and other corporate interests.

I believe wholeheartedly that if the AHA started getting “endorsement fees” from CPAP companies, they would change their current policy recommending against routine sleep studies for folks with cardiac disease. Sleep apnea is commonly present in people with cardiac disease, yet the AHA refuses to recommend that folks with, even, say, bypass surgery, be screened for it. Despite a study showing 50% of men post-bypass have moderate to severe sleep apnea - a HUGE risk factor for ongoing heart disease, graft failure, and heart failure. It’s disgusting.

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SteelJ's avatar

I have read they get some training in nutrition, but it's a minimal amount. Of course it would be total BS like all the rest of their education, designed with only profit in mind. With the caveat of course that they must learn enough to do SOME useful tasks, just enough the clueless public continues to believe in their profession. Thankfully, they've lost a lot of that trust lately. The medical profession is populated by the very worst criminals in society, naturally, since it's the most fertile ground for taking advantage of the system and desperate people for personal gain. There are plenty of exceptions like AMWD, but most of them are unable to be effective within such a broken system.

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ArnoldF's avatar

the chain of command protocols and medical compliance of doctors blindly following orders reminds me of another top-down authority-based professional relationship which can also breed catastrophe. The working atmosphere in a civil aviation cockpit can take on the same level of compliance by primadona pilots where the 2nd in command is basically put into a position of passivity. This was common practice during the early days in aviation thru the 1970s where the pilot's word was basically unalterable...and this resulted in numerous aviation accidents where the 2nd in command, who voiced a problem but was unable to convince the pilot of their mistaken error or did nothing to countermand a growing deadly situation. Two 747s crashing together on a takeoff roll was directly to blame to a chief hothead pilot who knew too much to be questioned. Same thing likely can be said of the captain of the Titanic who knew there was ice ahead but plowed ahead at full-speed into a deadly trap. It seems like the entire medical industry is filled with hubris and can do no wrong.

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Transcriber B's avatar

Good for you! I fired my doctor for the same reason.

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