Respectfully, I would like to remind you that correlation does not prove causation. People that take these are on them due to mental problems they had prior to taking them. Maybe the pills made their behavior worse, maybe they didn't. I have been taking citalopram for several years 40 mg once per day, and noticed a dramatic improvement i…
Respectfully, I would like to remind you that correlation does not prove causation. People that take these are on them due to mental problems they had prior to taking them. Maybe the pills made their behavior worse, maybe they didn't. I have been taking citalopram for several years 40 mg once per day, and noticed a dramatic improvement in my moods and general happiness immediatly after starting them. Again correlation doesn't prove causation, but in this case I became happier immediatly after starting taking them, I recall it was the very first day, so the timing is a fairly strong indicator that it is the pills. Perhaps I should stop taking them and see what happens, although I was quite depressed before and I don't want to return to that state, it scares me. Depression is a powerful force, I was having a hard time functioning until amazingly things changed, and the change correlated exactly to when I started the pills. Perhaps I will reduce the dosage and see what happens. I do agree that the power of chemical substances to alter our thoughts is amazingly high and we must be very careful. I am thinking of trying CBD oil as a substitute. I must admit, though I am generally much happier, if I get angry about something the anger does seem to be more intense, although I'm not sure if that is due to the pills, or social media, or something else such as DEI doing it to me.
He does not categorically condemn the use of anti-depressants. What he DOES do is offer some reason for skepticism on widespread use. Like it nor not, the data on mass shootings is real and ALARMING. What is most alarming is the lack of discussion in the medical literature regarding violence and self harm on these meds.
I have known a few friends who were placed on these drugs mostly for post menopausal depression and post partum depression. Guess what? There is NO OFF ramp. The people I know who were placed on them felt better for a while then felt numb and flat. Not sad, not elated, just flat. We should ALL be skeptical of adding drugs to our bodies and especially drugs for the rest of one's life. Ask questions. Read.
Steve, please stay on the meds which made and keep you well which you and your doctor worked out together. There is no need to risk a relapse into another depression. Only those who have gone through it and come out the other side understand it fully!!
100% Finally a voice of sanity. If you are thinking of finding a substitute for your citalopram, you might want to look into medicinal saffron. You are likely to find it a lot more useful then CBD oil. My advice would be to start the saffron first and if you get a good result, then work with your prescribing doctor to reduce the citalopram gradually.
I agree with those who say: "don't play around with this!" Just because some people suffer side effects does not mean everyone will. It seems like it would be impossible for someone not to actually be helped out of all the millions who were prescribed. Be observant to your thoughts, read everything you can on the subject, and communicate with your MD.
If it happened immediately it is most likely the placebo effect. However stopping them can be very problematic and people who do try to quit need medical or pharmacist support to very, very slowly titrate dosages down. Like way more slowly than you can imagine. And some people may be able to reduce their dose but not quit completely which is okay. (Not medical advice).
Define immediatly. This was 6 or 7 yrs ago, I don't remember exactly how long. My best recollection was I took the first dose one morning, and it seemed like felt a difference later that evening, but it may have been the 2nd day. I tried several other pills and natural remedies that people told me would help, before this one, and they didn't give me any placebo effect, they had little if any effect at all. I had never heard of this one before I started taking it, I had no reason to believe it would work, but it did. I am quite certain it is not the placebo effect. And I can handle my own titration thank you very much, no need for medical or pharmacist support. Been there done that, they just ask how I'm feeling and then adjust based on what I tell them. I don't need them in the feedback loop, I can see how it makes me feel and adjust accordingly all by myself. Honestly I despise being required to get prescriptions for meds, the laws should allow those who are capable of self medicating to do so, would be a lot cheaper and easier. I would happily sign a liability waiver saying I am responsible for everything that happens. I have experimented with drugs all my life.
Good. It sounds like you know what you are doing. I wrote that because some people taper too quickly and have a hard time. Even doctors sometimes tell people to stop too quickly.
That saying-correlation does not prove causation, is a worn-out phrase when people don't like truth. What you don't realize is that people are in fact prescribed these meds inappropriately. One of the first things my primary doctor offered me for severe hot flashes was prozac and/or eat more soybeans. My mother cried at her Dr appointment when talking about my dad who was on hospice. He offered her prozac instead of taking a few minutes to talk to her.
Respectfully, I would like to remind you that correlation does not prove causation. People that take these are on them due to mental problems they had prior to taking them. Maybe the pills made their behavior worse, maybe they didn't. I have been taking citalopram for several years 40 mg once per day, and noticed a dramatic improvement in my moods and general happiness immediatly after starting them. Again correlation doesn't prove causation, but in this case I became happier immediatly after starting taking them, I recall it was the very first day, so the timing is a fairly strong indicator that it is the pills. Perhaps I should stop taking them and see what happens, although I was quite depressed before and I don't want to return to that state, it scares me. Depression is a powerful force, I was having a hard time functioning until amazingly things changed, and the change correlated exactly to when I started the pills. Perhaps I will reduce the dosage and see what happens. I do agree that the power of chemical substances to alter our thoughts is amazingly high and we must be very careful. I am thinking of trying CBD oil as a substitute. I must admit, though I am generally much happier, if I get angry about something the anger does seem to be more intense, although I'm not sure if that is due to the pills, or social media, or something else such as DEI doing it to me.
The case is quite strong and detailed in the longer article.
Your case is complete garbage.
He does not categorically condemn the use of anti-depressants. What he DOES do is offer some reason for skepticism on widespread use. Like it nor not, the data on mass shootings is real and ALARMING. What is most alarming is the lack of discussion in the medical literature regarding violence and self harm on these meds.
I have known a few friends who were placed on these drugs mostly for post menopausal depression and post partum depression. Guess what? There is NO OFF ramp. The people I know who were placed on them felt better for a while then felt numb and flat. Not sad, not elated, just flat. We should ALL be skeptical of adding drugs to our bodies and especially drugs for the rest of one's life. Ask questions. Read.
not a very thoughtful comment.
Yes it's where i learned about the book.
Steve, please stay on the meds which made and keep you well which you and your doctor worked out together. There is no need to risk a relapse into another depression. Only those who have gone through it and come out the other side understand it fully!!
100% Finally a voice of sanity. If you are thinking of finding a substitute for your citalopram, you might want to look into medicinal saffron. You are likely to find it a lot more useful then CBD oil. My advice would be to start the saffron first and if you get a good result, then work with your prescribing doctor to reduce the citalopram gradually.
I agree with those who say: "don't play around with this!" Just because some people suffer side effects does not mean everyone will. It seems like it would be impossible for someone not to actually be helped out of all the millions who were prescribed. Be observant to your thoughts, read everything you can on the subject, and communicate with your MD.
I think there is an impact, at least in my case, of TBI. I also have seen the meds help more people than they harmed.
Agreed!
Don't stop citalopram abruptly. That causes flu-like symptoms.
If it happened immediately it is most likely the placebo effect. However stopping them can be very problematic and people who do try to quit need medical or pharmacist support to very, very slowly titrate dosages down. Like way more slowly than you can imagine. And some people may be able to reduce their dose but not quit completely which is okay. (Not medical advice).
Define immediatly. This was 6 or 7 yrs ago, I don't remember exactly how long. My best recollection was I took the first dose one morning, and it seemed like felt a difference later that evening, but it may have been the 2nd day. I tried several other pills and natural remedies that people told me would help, before this one, and they didn't give me any placebo effect, they had little if any effect at all. I had never heard of this one before I started taking it, I had no reason to believe it would work, but it did. I am quite certain it is not the placebo effect. And I can handle my own titration thank you very much, no need for medical or pharmacist support. Been there done that, they just ask how I'm feeling and then adjust based on what I tell them. I don't need them in the feedback loop, I can see how it makes me feel and adjust accordingly all by myself. Honestly I despise being required to get prescriptions for meds, the laws should allow those who are capable of self medicating to do so, would be a lot cheaper and easier. I would happily sign a liability waiver saying I am responsible for everything that happens. I have experimented with drugs all my life.
Good. It sounds like you know what you are doing. I wrote that because some people taper too quickly and have a hard time. Even doctors sometimes tell people to stop too quickly.
That saying-correlation does not prove causation, is a worn-out phrase when people don't like truth. What you don't realize is that people are in fact prescribed these meds inappropriately. One of the first things my primary doctor offered me for severe hot flashes was prozac and/or eat more soybeans. My mother cried at her Dr appointment when talking about my dad who was on hospice. He offered her prozac instead of taking a few minutes to talk to her.