348 Comments
⭠ Return to thread

I am going to assume you saw Barbie. One thing the movie nailed on the head was the fact that in the matriarchy the men enjoyed their leisure activities as opposed to being productive. Men with a purpose can achieve incredible things. Men without purpose are doing good to eat regularly and maintain hygiene. What do all the men who are essentially opting out of the power structure doing? (You know the ones living in their mother’s basements.). They are playing video games and working the absolute minimum required amount. In a matriarchy instead of those guys being a small outlier they would be your majority.

Why on earth do you think that in an matriarchy men are going to haul water? I am dead serious in asking this question. How are you going to motivate men to become the water haulers in your new social order? Are you going to pass a law that 50% of all water haulers must be men? That 100% of all water haulers must be men? How will you impose your will in a matriarchy? If you use physical force and violence then I don’t see how a matriarchy is fundamentally any different than a patriarchy. But if you try anything else it seems likely that it only takes a small amount of aggressive men to use force to depose said matriarchy which is exactly what happened to the previously mentioned supposedly glorious matriarchies of the past.

In most societies the women haul water because the men are doing other things like fighting off enemies, predators, and hunting for food. If I have to choose between hauling water and going to war or fighting off a cougar I will shut up and fetch the freaking water.

Expand full comment

I didn't see Barbie, but my understanding is that it's fiction, based on a plastic doll, not a documentary about an actual real life matriarchal society.

I'm a little confused though, or rather, I think you are. First you said that you didn't want to carry water on your head, and that you thanked patriarchy for sparing you from this, (even though your not needing to do this is a product of technology, the technology that you wish you were unable to contribute to furthering, because you wish you hadn't gotten an advanced degree). And then you say that you would be glad to carry water around on your head. Okay, well you go girl, I guess.

Expand full comment

Well since you consider The Handmaid’s Tale literature worth reading it’s not surprising that you find reading comprehension difficult. Yes I praised the patriarchy because I am extremely grateful to have a low infant mortality rate and infrastructure that people throughout history would have literally sacrificed human beings to access. What I said was that if my choices are between carrying water and fighting wars or predators then carrying water is clearly the better option. Because believe it or not the division of labor is actually based on biological ability and not men wanting to enslave women. In primitive cultures someone had to get the water and someone had to die in war or risk getting killed while hunting. Women were more capable at hauling water than they were at hunting or waging war. But thanks to the patriarchy I don’t have to do either.

Fun story, the Comanche ignored this maxim and their women spent a lot of time on horseback just like their men, even when pregnant. As a result their fertility rates were so low they had to rely on capturing slaves to keep their population numbers at sustainable levels. So a Comanche woman’s equality meant some poor Kiowa or Apache woman wound up a slave. Talk about betraying the sisterhood.

The overwhelming majority of veterinarians myself included do not add to the technological advancement of society, literally the only thing that would be different for the world if I hadn’t gone into vet med is that another doctor would have my job. I’m 100% replaceable professionally as are the overwhelming majority of people.

Expand full comment